//Sowing Discord Among Brethren

Sowing Discord Among Brethren

The events of this past week have been a real eye opener. With things that others had planned coming out into the open, and attacks unfolding furiously, I have had the chance to see how that people, who seem to love Yahushua and His ways, were actually being, if even unintentionally, deceitful. To say the least, I have had a little bit of everything thrown at me in the last year. My beloved thrown in jail for a trumped up charge. Another trumped up charge by the same people this time with Texas CPS about me. Being asked to come to a city to minister and help out and being misled and treated as dirt after the deception was noticed. I had two close friends stop having anything to do with me, and the attacks from my beloved’s family have been unabated.

I have had a trio of people that for a year, have really pouted because I stood up for what I believed and also defended my beloved. One of these three makes a regular habit of defending his wife whenever she gets “attacked” which happens on a pretty regular basis. So whenever, it seems, that I open my mouth around one of this trio, someone has to start shouting at the top of their lungs. Then, this past spring, I had a man that I considered a very dear friend, who had unselfishly helped me through the rough times of when my beloved was in jail, turn and refuse to have anything publically to do with me. I thought this was unusual, but since this occurred after a discussion on Remnantsounds about something that I was aware we differed on, I could understand. He had been on Remnantsounds long enough that this was not the first time this discussion had come up, and I had told him, just as I have told all the others, that they could speak what was on their mind, even if it differed from something that I had said. I had even offered to make him a moderator a couple of times, of which he would always politely decline. I have relatives that believe the same way as he does, and there are many areas where we actually agree. But one area was given to me as the reason that we could no longer be public friends at least. For he wrote me:

“Hi Scott, nothing personal. It appears to me that your direction of interest has changed somewhat since we first became aquainted. The articles you have been posting recently are in my opinion unsubstantiated and appear to be so much conspiracy theory. I prefer to focus on the positive things of God that are concrete rather on the things that might be. Also, you have posted and endorsed very stringent statements regarding when a person is genuinely saved that have been extremely biased and have left out of consideration much scripture that paints an altogether different picture than that you and your friends have posted (on Remnant Sounds). I will not argue these things with you or other members of Remnant Sounds. I do not believe my Lord would be honored if I did and I don’t think anyone’s mind would be enhanced by my efforts. I think you have immense talent and intellect, but I fear you have been sidelined from the main focus of ministry. It is not my purpose to correct you and I cannot be involved in these things, so I am disconnecting and focusing on my calling as you must also. I wish you well and hope that we may remain in contact from time to time. I remain your friend and brother”.

Now I never said that what he was a false teacher. I always had the utmost respect for him. I understood that on the issue of Once Saved Always Saved, that we would just have to agree to disagree on that issue. The call of ministry given to me is to teach and to train others how to study the Word, and not man made creeds or doctrines, but, and I use this in many places, the Word, the whole Word, and nothing but the Word. I actually work well with people who do believe much differently that I do, when we are working together in areas where there are no disagreements. But with the fact that the subject had been broached before, and I have multiple times stated my belief, and anyone who has gone through Remnantsounds archives would know, it did seem a little odd to remove me from his friends list and have nothing publically to do with me.

Then, in a different forum, when a person was just asking about those who believe and practice Messianic Judaism, I, in one of the rare times, spoke up, and the subject got onto the Sacred Name and which names to use. This person came in and left a quote, after I had said that names do matter because we are told for Salvation to call on a specific name, of which his quote was this:

“Really? What is His name? Written on His thigh that no man can know. Or what’s in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. My apologies to Will S.”

We are talking about a specific name relating to Salvation, something that this person had previously said was so important that we could no longer be public friends. So now, any name will do? To me, that is being flippant, and a shade bit arrogant, even though I would never have thought this about the man. So I said in response to his quip:

“I would have thought better. One should never be sarcastic about how one gains salvation.

“‘Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved’ Acts 4:12

“‘Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.’ Philippians 2:9-11 KJV

“‘Wherefore YaHuWaH also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Yahushua every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Yahushua the Messiah is Master, to the glory of YaHuWaH the Father.’ Philippians 2:9-11 RNKJV

“And the fact that YaHuWaH says that we are not to speak the name of any other gods/elohim, not even in passing. ‘And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other elohim, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.’ Exodus 23:13 So a name is a name even when you are calling the Creator of everything by the name Ba’al? So calling Jesus Ba’al is just as sweet?

Scott”

I would have expected that he would have come back and explained his choice of words, but instead he said nothing. He left his entire defense to one woman. This woman was one of that trio that always screams when I speak. Sometimes I wonder if when I am around a spirit in her just has to drown me out. But she began to defend him and to publically correct me (which made no sense since this man is an IFB, and the last I checked with my relatives, women teaching and even correcting men in public is a sin). She said:

“Scott

“NO ONE who truly knows [Sir whose name is not appearing in this work] would ever accuse him of being sarcastic regarding salvation ! He takes it very personally. As a Pastor, it is the foundation of his calling and Life’s work.

“He and I don’t feel that one ‘MUST’ refer to the Lord as ‘Yeshua’ in order to be saved or heard by God. God knows who loves Him and He knows who is calling out to Him, whether they use Jesus or Yeshua.

“Blessings”

That threw up some red flags for me, for this IFB man is allowing a woman to explain how he feels about Scripture and Salvation. This did not make any sense. So I took it to heart. A little later, I pointed out in a post that this same woman had made on yet a different forum, how that she was incorrect when she posted that grace keeps us from sinning. She informed me that grace in fact does not keep us from sinning, but yet we could never lose our salvation. Another woman, the third leg of the trio, joined in, saying that we can lose our salvation (i.e. once save always saved is not true – see what happened to me above) but that grace keeps us from sinning. I posted my two cents worth on the matter, and then sat back, watching these two women go back and forth, while awaiting this IFB man to step in and state that Once Saved Always Saved is true and that teaching anything differently was preaching another gospel. This went on for a couple days, with the woman, and then her husband both stating that once saved always saved is a false doctrine but that you can lose your salvation. Finally, the IBF gentleman responds, but only to me. He said:

“Scott,

“What you have written here further justifies my de-friending you on FB. Nothing personal, but in my opinion, you are preaching another gospel. The following scripture is in context and self explanatory.
“Galatians 1:6-12
“6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace
of Christ unto another gospel:
“7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert
the gospel of Christ.
“8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than
that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
“9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto
you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
“10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet
pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
“11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not
after man.
“12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the
revelation of Jesus Christ.”

Another set of red flags go up because instead of correcting the man and his wife, two thirds of the trio, for saying that once saved always saved is a false doctrine, he only goes after me. Is that being balanced in judgment? We are told in Scripture to use balanced weights, and previous, he does not say anything to me but lets a woman teach us what he feels, and now he is not saying anything to the woman and the man, both saying that we can lose our salvation, but only goes after me.

Along about this time, on yet a fourth forum, the man’s wife and the other lady had been discussing whether or not there was a Jezebel spirit that provoked women to usurp authority over their husbands specifically, and over men in general. Another woman popped up, who believes in the Torah, and she was quickly and sternly corrected by the man’s wife. I did not speak to the man’s wife, but instead spoke to the corrected woman and told her not to worry about trying to talk with the man’s wife, because this woman would not listen to her because of the problem of the Torah, and I listed a few other reasons. I was not attacking the woman, just explaining why further discussions with her regarding anything to do with Torah would be fruitless. I then went to bed, only to wake up the next day to see that forum on fire.

Apparently, my words had been taken as an all out full assault on the trio. This was further than the truth, but the man’s wife had sent, via the other woman, a messag to the group saying that since she stated:

“[Lady aptly named not named in this production] would like to say goodbye.

“‘Obviously I am so unwelcomed in this group that you feel the need to force me out by spreading lies about my beliefs.

“That is fine.

“Your wish is granted and I will leave.

“For the record though, my husband and I have never EVER said that the Hebrews or the patriarchs were ignorant people. We believe no such thing!

“Anyway, much of what you have chosen to spread about my beliefs is wrong.

“And with that, I bid you all adieu.”

By my explaining to another person how discussing things with this lady, who curtly had taken her to task for daring to talk to her and make up assumptions, I had attacked her and said ugly things. All of what I said can be backed up by looking at different forums and talking to different people. Thus I said no lie, but was accused of it anyway. I tried in vain to explain myself to them, and her husband got on and went on a tirade against the entire forum how all of us were lying about them and spreading falsehoods, purposely trying to hurt them. He went on to school all of us, but most importantly that forum’s moderator, how that we are all arrogant and look down on them thinking that they are worthless.

The moderator quickly said that this whole discussion needs to stop and be taken off his forum. I proposes that this man, his wife, and their friend, as well as all the other members of this group, if they wanted to continue to discuss this matter, to do so over at Remnantsounds. But this man decided, out of disrespect to the wishes of the moderator, to continue the discussion right there. Again, I asked that it please be taken off that forum, because that is what the moderator had said must be done, and I offered a place to do that. His response?

“Hi Scott,

“I simply am not interested in discussing things on your group under your authority where your people are mostly in agreement with you.

“I wouldn’t even have been on this group right now if not for the abysmal treatment of two ladies by some people on this group. I have no problem with this group and it is, as far as I know, a decent group. But some people here, like everywhere, are rotten apples that infect the whole bunch.”

In my explanation of why it is fruitless to discuss with these two, I mentioned several things. However, this man decided to make it only about one thing. None of which had anything to do with that forum. I gave up trying and began to just copy the stuff over to Remnantsounds just in case. At the end of the day, the fire was going and it seemed that there was nothing to do but to what someone spread it and make it worse. I go to bed, only to wake up and the fire now had spread to Remnantsounds.

At this point, I should go back and say that I had heard that the rumblings were that this man was recruiting people to come over to my forum. At least one other person had heard this too, but they had heard that it was to try to take over the forum and break it up, to permanently silence not only me, but those in my forum. I did not get the message until after the attack had begun. We had 8 new members in one day, and of that 6 or 7 were supporting this man. All of them were moderated, and I watched as a few were nice, while others were either quiet, or came in angry. This man spoke, and told of how that I had totally misstated his beliefs, and how that I had gone after his wife. It should be noted that this man, who calls himself a pastor, had on more than one occasion during all of this threatened physical violence to any and all who would dare come after his poor innocent wife.

While all this was going on, I was receiving private emails, some from this man, and some from others telling me of what was going on. Day one saw over 76 posts on the forum, and on one of them, someone, who was only going by what he had read about this man and the other woman, thought they were married. They were always talked about together, and he was always defending her, and even included her when he spoke of him defending wife and children, so the conclusion this man got was that they were married.

Day 2. I had responded the previous night that to my knowledge they were not a couple, but that they would probably make a great pair. Then I receive this notice from a different forum:

“Hello !

“I have been informed that there is a rumor going around about me !

“Apparently, it is being said that ( the owner of this group)and I are either married to each other or are involved in a serious relationship. This is categorically NOT TRUE. At no time have he and I been romantically involved with each other. He and his wife (WSG) are my very good friends but that’s all it has ever been. I am madly in love with another man..[the man who defriended me], and he and I have been courting since December ’09 I hope this clears up any and all confusion on this subject. 🙂

“Blessings”

This caught me by surprise – admittedly I never saw it coming – but when some others confirmed this for me, it made perfect sense. Until . . . I get this message:

“ [The other woman] has her own life and an interest in a Godly man, and I’m not really interested in having more than one wife at this point even if she were interested. However, I do think she would make a wonderful, Godly wife for some man, and anyone interested should jump at the chance, because she isn’t married yet. Maybe you need to consider her for marriage, and expand your horizons a bit, Scott.”

The man of the trio is suggesting I go after a woman, who is courting an IBF man who is already married. I smell a snake in the grass. First off, YaHuWaH did not bring me this woman, secondly, she is in no way even remotely attractive to me, and thirdly, we butt heads so often, I just do not want that headache. Let someone else have that one. But more reports are coming in, and I am doing some digging on my own. This man who publically defriended, did so after the two of them began courting, and after an incident where I had pointed out how that this woman and the man’s wife had been going around badmouthing this woman’s ex-courter. They cut me off from their sites, and shortly thereafter, under the seeming pretense of the once saved always saved (and I say seeming pretense for it may have been part of the reason), I now am befriended. I still respect this man, but I seriously question his motives and what is driving him.

The heat was growing during the day on Remnantsounds, as we are now fully inundated by preterists that this man had recruited. I was receiving communications that indeed, more would be coming and their stated goal was to chase people away from this site and to discredit me as a looney that should never be listened to or taken seriously again. We began actually denying people requesting membership, and then when I sensed that this man was beginning to get close to exploding on me, I hit the nuclear button so as to silence the whole situation. Of which he left my forum, said I was crazy – which is fine, he can think that – and then wondered why I had invited him to speak if all I was going to do was to embarrass him in front of others.

Day 3 brought more of the same, but at a lessor temperature, to where I finally said enough was enough. I do not hate this either man, the wife, or the other woman, but for the trio, I do pity them. But it does remind me of one very important principle.

The desire for a woman can break up any relationship, even the one we have with YaHuWaH. I set out not to lose any friend, but to stand up for what I believe. In the end, I see a scorched earth policy and know that there are those that are trying their best to make me look bad, while calling me just plain paranoid at the same time. I think back to another gentleman, who does an excellent job at reporting on things that others do not wish to be reported on, and see how others have done their best to discredit and make him look like a crazy fool. These people are even going after my father, trashing him on so called Christian forums, all because someone else told them we were crazy.

There are those that look for ways to pick fights with others for they love war. There are those that are envious of others so they seek to destroy them so as to take their place. History is replete with instances of both of these. There are also plenty of historical examples of back room deals and shady maneuvering in order to hurt someone. And when it takes down people that are near and dear to you, it is really sad. But I know that Satan will do anything to silence the truth, and I also know that he will throw everything including the kitchen sink at someone who is a threat to him. After all of this, I also know that YaHuWaH delivers, for He has delivered me through all of this. Sadly, I look and see people being used as nothing more than pawns in Satan’s game. But Satan shall use things like our emotions to try to destroy people. This is just one more battle in a life long war that I pray shall be over soon. And for those who have tried to drive a wedge between my earthly father and I, I love him, and know that even if he offends others by what he says, it is the truth that offends and not him.

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